like that before. i find it weird. the snow has stopped falling but millions of americans still feeling the effects of the massive northeastern storm knocking outpourer to around 640,000 homes and businesses. the storm driven tidal surge topping a seawall in one massachusetts coastal town, flooding entire neighborhoods and forcing a lot of people to evacuate. emergency crews scrambling to trap people trapped by rising waters. six texts blamed on the storm. in boston an 11-year-old boy died of carbon monoxide poisoning while sitting in a running car while h his dad trying to dig it out of a snow bank. crews are working around the clock in massachusetts, rhode island, connecticut and new york to restore service.

temperatures expected to dip below freezing again overnight. i'm he marianne rafferty. now, let's go to "justice" with judge jeanine. for the latest headlines log on to fox news .com. xpected to ben the single digits. i'm harris faulkner. now, the judge. >> judge jeanine: this is a fox news alert. the manhunt continues for the accused murderer christopher dorner the former lapd cop who vowed to wage war against any one on his hit list. hello and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. video he surfaced of christopher dorner are when was on the right-side of the law. alicia has the latest on the search for christopher dorner. >> reporter: we received a significant announcement in an update in which they did tell us that the chief here charlie beck ordered a review of the firing of christopher dorner back in 2008. this is the whole reason that dorner says in the manifesto

for all of the killing that happened this past week according to police. additionally they announced the formation of the dorner task force. a combination of police and federal departments. now, you mentioned this video that fox news has obtained. take a look here. this is dorlande dorner back i5 attending the los angeles police academy. the department of homeland security and tsa are keeping on update on reports of the search for him in addition because he has had flight training, aircraft and airport owners being told to consider their security and flight crews remain vigilant. word the irvine police department, the department in charge of the investigation into the murders of monica kwan and her boyfriend keith lawrence, they served a search warrant last night at a storage locker used by dorner located in buena park. the department tells us items were collected as evidence. no word yet exactly what they are this terms of the search.

now, law enforcement was in the air in the big bear lake area, east of los angeles in an effort that was grounded yesterday due to bad weather our crew in the mountains talked to resort visitors about the manhunt underway. >> when we got to the ca cabint dark and first time us being up here so it was kind of scary. try not to let something like that ruin our plans or vacation, you know. >> we started taking a little bit of kind of preauctionary things to do as far as not staying out too late. basically locking up and watching over our backs. you just never know what could happen. >> reporter: meantime, a touching tribute to victim monica kwan, the daughter of the lapd veteran that defended dorner during the tribunal that led to his dismissal. at today's game they played tribute to coach mo.

they read jerseys that read motivation on the front and "it is the courage to continue that counts on the back and then, judge, there was a moment of silence before the game. judge? >> judge jeanine: thanks so much. and joining me on the phone right now is a long time friend of christopher dorner. james, you there? >> i am, judge. how are you this evening? >> i'm well, james. can you tell us about this guy dorner. you went to college with him and you are even mentioned in his manifesto as a good guy. did you ever think he was capable of this? >> this comes as a complete shock to me. my relationship began in the 1990s while attending southern utah university. i never witnessed anything that suggests to me that he was unstable in any fashion or was prone to violence or anything of that nature. suffice to say what i'm hearing in the news is pretty shocking. >> judge jeanine: james, you

spoke to him a few years back. is that the last time i understand you spoke with him? >> last time i spoke with him was in about 2008, yes. >> judge jeanine: and what was the conversation about? anything unusual about it? >> nothing particularly unusual. he called frankly out of the blue. we hadn't spoken in years. caught up and spoke about what each other had been up to. he shared experiences in the navy and told me he was working for the los angeles police department. he did mention to me at that time that he had some type of grievance with the employer with the lapd. i don't recall any details to the extent that he shared them with me but i was vaguely aware that was something that was going on at the time. >> judge jeanine: he talks about racism in his manifesto here. did he ever complain to you about being discriminated against? >> that was the issue that mr. dorner did seem particularly interested about.

i chalked it up to the fact that obviously he is an african american male and grew up in southern, california. i'm casian and grew up in alaska so we had different frames of reference in how weaved the world. nevertheless it was something that he mentioned on occasion. i don't recall it consuming him in any fashion and nothing he said about race relations or racial issues in general that, again, suggested any type of violent tendency is or that he was overly aggravated about it. it was just something he would point out when noted occurrences that he felt were racially motivated. >> judge jeanine: if you could say one thing to him, what would you say to him? >> let's put an end to this. whalet's come up with some solution. i know he obviously has a grudge and s having a serious problem right now and i don't mean to excuse or condone

anything that is going on. >> judge jeanine: so he should turn himself in, james? >> turn himself in and talk to somebody you trust and get this to an end. >> judge jeanine: thanks so much. >> my plea hour. >> with me is mark fuhrman. former lapd detective. you are in the manifesto, not as a good guy. >> no, i'm not. but i'm in a fairly good grouping. i'm in the same sentence as chief darrell gates. to be frank i think my mention in the manifesto s more of a drive-by his tore arery of lapd through his eyes and nothing more. >> judge jeanine: in the manifesto, mark, and i know you have read it but the genesis for his anger seems to stem from his belief that he was fired from the los angeles police department for reporting police brutality. is there any -- i mean he says he was fired because he was a whistle blower. what do you think of that? >> well, i think that he had a board of rights and when you

have a board of rights you a civilian on the board of rights as well as two staff officer is from the department so you do have a checks and balance. the evidence was presented. the suspect that was supposedly brutalized is a schizophrenic. there was no independent witt he necessary and so it -- witness and so it came down to a push or shove and they simply could not depend on the testimony of a schizophrenic report hearsay of what he said afterwards. it just went down to an insufficient evidence and the problem i think is that dorner pushed the issue to the point that he ended up getting terminated himself. >> judge jeanine: marc, are you sur is priced there were people on the internet saying i can understand his anger and his frustration? >> no, i can't understand that at all. i mean adolph hitler and joseph

stalin had a lot of fans, too. goes with the territory. >> judge jeanine: it is pathetic but amazing how some people are going to his side on this in spite of the fact that he is accused of murdering three people. we are just now hearing that he had some flight training. he was on the police department. he was in the reserves with the navy. it seems a guy with all this training is now in the cat bird seat. should law enforcement be concerned? should the public be concerned? >> well, certainly he is a serious threat for -- before you add all of the training he is a serious threat because he has taken three lives. he is armed. and he is motivated to kill people to make his statement. now, that being said, he wasn't all that trained that extensively trained on lapd. he was trained just enough where he could probably go out in a police car by himself. he had the basic amount of training for a uniformed officer is of lapd. nothing extensive, nothing special.

his naval training this warfare unit i think it is a support group for the nuclear subs when they are at station or some place close to station. i don't understand it completely but his training was extensive in that regard but it wasn't an on-ground combat type training. so he brushed with certain training and weapons training and i'm sure he was familiar with demolitions and some tactics in the military. but let's not make him jason bourne. let's not make him rambo. he is what he is and he is dangerous. let's not make a folklore figure out of him at this date. >> judge jeanine: when you you talk about dangerous. i have seen pictures of this .50 caliber bullet. it is unbelievably big and it is intended to create i believe some kind of you don't need my

belief but serious injuries. >> well, it will. it will inflict injuries up to 2,000 peters away if you -- meters away if you are good enough to be able to place the bullet. the point here is the mobility of that weapon. it's he 18 plus pounds. the ammunition is heavy. you need a platform to actually shoot it. you need a place to shoot it. it is not something he is is going to carry around on the street. i think the most important thing we need to see with this man is not his past and not his manifesto. this is now a tactical situation. he is a murderer on the run. period. >> judge jeanine: what you said, marc was interesting when you said the weaponry is very heavy. we burned truck and tried to steal a boat. do you think he is in the mountains? how would he carry all of this ammunition? >> well, i suspect that if he torched his vehicle it was to draw people to the vehicle while he actually exited by

another means. i suspect that he had another vehicle and he loaded h his equipment or it was already previously loaded. i would suspect that. i'm not saying that is the case but i would suspect that. >> judge jeanine: all right. >> you are certainly not going to be carrying a barrett 50 through the woods with equipment. >> judge jeanine: mark fuhrman thanks so much for being with us. what made dorner snap? coming up the former chief psychologist for the los angeles police department goes inside the mind of a killer. and then disturbing testimony on benghazi. president obama out of sight and out of touch. tonight

>> judge jeanine: she was a chief psychologist for the los angeles police department. dr. debbie glaser joins me from los angeles. thanks for being with us. now --

>> you're welcome. >> judge jeanine: dorner was fired from the l.a. police department in 2008. why is he snapping now? >> that is a good question. i would suspect that there was something that has oh o curbd that has caused him to snap now. maybe it was looking for a job. maybe it was an issue with a relationship. i tonigh don't know. but i would suspect that something happened. >> judge jeanine: and doctor, you have dealt with a lot of l.a.p.d. issues and problems. >> right. >> judge jeanine: and you a lot of experience. you are well versed in this. can you tell us whether or not dorner is someone who, you know, should have been identified as being dangerous? i mean does something like this just happen? >> there is no way, unfortunately, for anybody psychologists included to predict who s going be dangerous and who s not. all police officers in the state of california are given a

preemployment psychological screening and obviouslicy since he was on the department there were no psychological indicators that he was having a problem at the time that he was hired. >> judge jeanine: and when says basically i didn't have a chance to have a family because of the los angeles police department, i never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, and so i'm going to terminate yours and ends up shooting the daughter and fiancee of someone who was a captain in the department. where would this come from? >> it appears that he is looking to inflict the most possible pain that he can on the people that he believed wronged him and i can't think of anything worse than attacking someone's children. he believes that he is justified in his mind he is orting retribution or retaliation for being wronged and i suspect that in his mind he thinks what he is doing is fair and just. >> judge jeanine: and he also is involved in apparently

carrying a lot of equipment as we just heard from mark fuhrman. is this the kind of guy who is going to end up taking his own life and kill more people or do we think that he will just find himself or we will find him dead some where? >> i would suspect that he is not going to just go away. he is doing this for revenge. he is doing this for publicity and so my guess is he is not going shoot himself some where in acorn are quietly but he s going to go for what we call suicide by cop which h he is going to put himself in a situation where he tries to kill as many people as he can and he is going to be shot as well. >> judge jeanine: you know the l.a. police department. you though that they are going to not just protect themselves and their family but the public at large. do you think that there s enough out there to protect the public at large? >> there is never enough police

officers. is one of the budget issues always with police. whether they are are looking at the people that he has targeted i would suspect that is where they are focusing their attention but there are always going to be police on the street looking to protect the people that they protect and serve. >> judge jeanine: dr. grasser thanks pore being with us. vote in our instapoll. tell us on facebook or tweet me @ judge jeanine. up next the latest on the deadly storm that buried thehee

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>> judge jeanine: this is a fox news weather alert. at least five deaths being blamed on the massive blizzard that dropped more than three feet of snow in some parts of the northeast and it is not

over yet. marina molina in the fox extreme weather center has the latest. >> hi, good to see you. hello, everyone. the storm not over with just yet. still do have accumulating snowfall falling across eastern portions of massachusetts. i want to first get to some of the storm reports from the storm system. we have seen some incredible amounts of snowfall. one place in particular in connecticut picked up 40 inches snowfall in hampden, connecticut. the surrounding areas more than 30 inches of snow as well. milford, connecticut picking up 38 inches of snow. well, over three feet for some across connecticut. we also saw a lot of wind with the storm system. over is 80-mile per hour wind gusts across connecticut, massachusetts. in bangor maine, wind gusts of 75 miles per hour. hurricane force winds in the peak of the storm system and that was during the overnight hours across portions of new england. er ianother big concern behinde storm system is that many do

not have power and you will be enduring cold temperatures during the overnight hours tonight into tomorrow morning. look at the windchill temperatures. what the air feels like out there or will feel like later on tonight. going feel like zero degrees in hartford, connecticut. 8 below zero in portions of massachusetts and going to stay cold even into early sunday morning, 10 below zero in pitsfield. many of you across massachusetts feeling windchill below zero. lindsay lohan and dangerous conditions in terms of the temperatures as we head into tonight and early is sunday morning. otherwise sunday afternoon looking at temperatures into the 30s. then b monday another concern is a rapid warm-up so we will be seeing widespread snow melt on top of the rain. going to make a lot of the snow that is already on the ground very heavy and judge jeanine, are the storm system bringing in rain across the northeast is right now,cross portions of the north central u.s.

blizzard warnings and watches in effect. 16 inches of snow out here across the north central and wind gusts in excess of 40 miles per hour. a lot of extreme weather across the country. >> judge jeanine: thanks so much. let's go to our own molly line in boston with the latest on how hard hit that city is and how they are recovering from the storm. molly? >> reporter: well, judge, the big digout is underway just behind me here expressway on the way out of down. one of the big industrial snow blowers. that is half of the battle moving the dramatic amount of snow out of everybody's way. the governor put in place an executive order which was lifted at 4:00 earlier this afternoon that shut down the state roadways to all noneis sentencing traffic. that has been lift sod people can get back out on the roads but transportation system in boston the t still shut down. the subway still closed. no more trains. they are working on getting things in that department up and running. hopefully tomorrow but the real goal is focused on monday on getting things ready for the

workweek. beyond that, logan airport expected to reopen here in boston at 11:00 p.m. tonight. not expecting to be particularly busy until tomorrow when a lot of the folks that either got stranded here in boston or had other plans that were hoping to head off on vacations to warmer places will finally all collide tomorrow and make logan a very, very busy place. to the north and south of boston real trouble when it comes to coastal flooding. situated to the south experienced some water coming over the seawall there's. flooding into homes. the concern there is that it won't abate and train away and instead it will freeze and cause even more problems. to the north, salisbury beach, evacuations. people were taken out by heavy equipment. in all of the situations up and down the coast the national guard has played a big role bringing in heavy equipment and trying to ensure that people are safe in the communities being hit by water unexpectedly. perhaps in some areas that hadn't been hit in previous storms or recently in previous

storms. very tough situation. also one other thing thety is being particularly mindful of this carbon monoxide. they are trying to get the word out because there have been several fatalities including the death of a child. son had gone out to help his father clear out a car and sitting there to stay warm and overwhelmed by carbon monoxide. they are having people to be careful cleaning out their cars and also in their homes as well. judge? >> judge jeanine: molly line, thanks so much. what a nightmare. coming up, shocking testimony this week on benghazi. my take and the reaction of one of the victims' mothers. and then should we be able to kill americans without due process? the obama administration thinks the obama administration thinks that we s all right that's a fifth-floor problem... ok. not in my house! ha ha ha! ha ha ha! no no no!

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live from america's news headquarters i'm marianne rafferty. first lady michelle obama among

the dignitaries paying respects to a teenaged girl who was killed just days after performing in the presidential inauguration festivities. she was laid to rest saturday in chicago. mrs. obama met privately with the family before the service. she was an honor student and band majorette who was caught in a gang related shooting. the killer remains at large. for the first time in three weeks one of boeing's troubled 787 jet planes was back in the skies saturday. the two and a half hour test flight over seattle will assess the performance of the dreamliner lithium ion batteries. they are suspected of sparking fires aboard two commercial airlines last month force, the faa to ground the jet. deliveries are on hold until boeing fixes the problem. i'm marianne rafferty. now, back to "justice" with judge jeanine. >> judge jeanine: when i was a kid mom always knew when i was lying. i would shift around. do a little dance.

maybe even laugh. i thought i was fooling her. shame on me. months after the deaths of four innocent americans in benghazi long after the presidential polls have closed, the $64,000 question, did the president order the rescue of americans that night? >> we had just picked up the information that something was happening, that there was an apparent attack going on in benghazi and i informed the president of that fact and he at that point directed both myself and general dempsey to do everything we needed to do to try to protect lives there. >> judge jeanine: okay, if the president gave the order why weres ty woods and glen dougherty, killed 7 hours later, rescued? of course, the president was worried is since he didn't know if our ambassador chris stevens was still in the compound,

taken hostage, being dragged through the streets, at a local hospital, or worse, possibly dead. >> did you have is any further communications with him that night? >> no. >> did you have any other further communications, did he ever call you that night to say how are are things going, what is going on, where is the consulate? >> no. >> did you communicate with any one else at the white house that night? >> no. >> no one else called you to say how are things going? >> no. >> okay, the white house didn't follow up. but dempsey and panetta would have moved military assets to protect americans. so why didn't it happen? >> the united states military as i have said is not and frankly should not be a 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world. this was pure and simple in the

absence as i said of any kind of advanced warning a problem of distance and time. >> judge jeanine: advanced warning? the emergency from our ambassador was not enough? distance and time? this week they said the nearest aircraft was 3,000 miles away. but you we already know there were f-16s in italy. a nato base. it has all kinds of bombs and it is just two hours away. so who are we to believe? was the order that only the president of the united states can make, was it issued? what really happened? >> simple question, if the families ask me, would it be fair to say that you were in charge? >> i mean i -- it is not that simple, as you know.

i think the people that were in charge were the people on the ground. >> judge jeanine: pretty amazing, isn't it? it is almost like that line who's on first. it was the people on the ground who asked for help because they couldn't protect themselves. you know, i find it interesting, just this week we get the obama administration justification for using drones to kill americans without any due process. do you remember when the same administration wanted to bring the 9/11 terrorists from gitmo to new york city, give them a trial, give them lawyers, give them translators, mirandaize them and give them the constitutional rights, foreign terrorists. this week we find out o that when it comes to american citizens who are, they say, believed to be connected to

al-qaeda or a similar terrorist organization, they don't have constitutional rights. american citizens don't get lawyers. they don't get due process. they don't even have a chance to surrender, just kill them. so if you find a foreign terrorist, bring them who new york city and give an american jury the chance to hear the evidence and decide the case. but an american citizen on the presidents it kill list dies amazing. this administration uses drones to kill american citizens but not to save them. pat smith, the mother of shawn who was killed in benghazi joins me now from san diego. pat, thanks for being with us. >> hi, judge. >> do you feel you have gotten any straight answers yet? it has been five months since

you found out that your son was killed. >> i have had no information. i have been begging and begging for information. and i have been waiting to find out anything that would make me feel better about it. that hasn't happened. they haven't told me anything. >> you know, pat, after you were on the show on this show last time the white house reached out to you and they -- you said they sent you some forms. have you heard from them since the election? >> no. >> spat, what do you think needs to be done? who would you want to talk to? who and what question would you ask them? >> i don't think i would be allowed to ask the questions that i want to ask. i would like to ask obama the same thing that john mccain

asked him and lindsay graham asked him and they have asked and they didn't get any answers what makes you think that i will get any answers? they don't care about me. >> judge jeanine: but as you think about this, pat, your son believed in this administration. i mean your son, you know, made the ultimate sacrifice. do you think that or how do you think your are son would feel today? >> oh, he was very proud of obama and hillary. he was very proud of his job. he was very proud of everything he did. and he did a good job at it. and i -- i have no comment about that. i know he was good. >> judge jeanine: and pat, finally, do you think you will ever find out what happened? >> i hope to. i hope to because this is my right as a citizen of the

united states. or a mother. >> judge jeanine: all right. >> i hope to. >> judge jeanine: i hope you do too, pat. thanks for being with us and stay in touch. we will follow this with you. you take care of yourself. >> thank you very much, judge. >> judge jeanine: you're welcome. you're welcome. coming up, should we be able to use drone strikes to kill americans abroad? we will break it down for you. and then we will give you the results of our insta poll.

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the justice department is saying that president obama can order drone strikes on american citizen. that he can do it. in a related story, this is the last obama joke i'm ever doing on this show. [ laughter ] >> judge jeanine: and maybe we should move the studio, too. but all kidding aside, let's talk to the ex-about perts. jay seculo of the american center for law and justice and norm siegel former director of the new york civil liberties union who i have had many wars with over the year. good to have you here, gentlemen, both of you. i don't think there is any one who has any problem with the united states defending its citizens, defending the homeland. do you have a problem now that the so called white paper or justification for the drones have come out with the justification itself?

>> let me give you two points here that are important. number one, i think the president as commander in chief has the authority to use drones u.s. citizens that have taken up arms with the enemy, al-qaeda. for instance, if bin laden were a u.s. citizen i don't think any of us would have hesitated. the problem with the justification, two things number one the word imminent. they redefined the phrase of when the high level target is actually imminently doing something and it is an elastic expression or phrase and that has a lot of lawyers concerned. the other thing is the lack of oversight. i was with a friend who is a law professor. he said why don't they impliment a procedure where it is instantaneous. not when you have weeks and weeks but some judicial oversight. we have to be careful, of course, when it is a u.s. citizen. the fact of the matter is i do believe that the president of the united states as the

commander in chief has the authority to take out a u.s. citizen who has taken up arms against the united states. the phrase imminent is what has everybody and justifiably so. >> judge jeanine: i think that the white paper talks not just about the president. the white paper talks about the high level official of the u.s. government who can make this decision. >> i think that the executive branch has to be restrained. i think you can't have people especially when it is an american citizen being deprived of their life without some form of due process. it is a complicated issue and we have to learn more. i think in the last 72 hours we learned more about the drone policies of the obama administration which is very threatening in a lot of ways and very troubling and we need to find out more about it. second in addition to what jay said what i'm very concerned about is the lack of transparency. this has been going on for

years. we as citizens in this country have is a right to know what our government does in our name including the president of the united states. even though it is article 2, section 2 of the constitution and the commander in chief in a battlefield situation they are all powerful. when you have people not in a battlefield and people even who are talking or organizeing that is not actually in a battlefield and therefore it becomes a very different issue than we have dealt with the questions of war in the past. war today is different than it was in the past. and we have to address constitutional issues and international treaty issues. >> sure. >> judge jeanine: go ahead. >> ias going to add something here. i don't think there is a lot of disagreement. i think it is important to understand. we are not fighting a conventional war. >> right. >> and that has been the case since the attack of 9/11, number one. some of the rules are different here. number two, look at double standard here. it was the attorney general of the united states who filed briefs on behalf of terrorists

saying their rights were being deprived in guantanamo bay, in the prison in gitmo. now, the attorney general is saying the president of the united states has the authority to execute drone strikes which i don't disagree with. the double standard here is unbelievable. the fact that they aren't even addressing that is mind boggling. >> judge jeanine: they freaked out over the patriotic act. you know, they are going to know what library books you take. >> water boarding. >> judge jeanine: is jay right? >> i think jay is right and there is a troubling double standard. a lot of my liberal friends would attack bush and now they are silent with regard to what obama and the executive branch of government is doing now. i think you have is to have neutral principles and apply them across-the-board whether it is for your political candidate or not and that doesn't happen in america enough. also i think that we have is to recognize that when you are dealing in a battlefield situation the supreme court has given the commander in chief

great powers but we are not in the battlefield situation unless you buy the bush cheney argument that the battlefield argument is global and we have serious constitutional issues and therefore the president will even have more power. >> doug: with due respect it is global. let's be realistic. this is global and the other thing that is interesting here, judge, and that is the attorney general in the united states and the president didn't want to use the word war on terror. they didn't want to use war on terror ex-is september when you read their memo and they acknowledge you are engaged in a war on terrorism. >> nobody is calling for eric holder to be charged the way they did with alberto gonzales. >> neutral principles across the board whether to dems or republicans. if we do that we improve ourselves and if we don't we are in a lot of trouble. >> we are not hauling anybody to the international criminal court on our side because we disagree. >> judge jeanine: thanks for

being with us this evening. here are the insta poll results. we asked you should the obama administration be able to use drone strikes to kill americans abroad. most of you thought it was a bad idea. chet says isn't it funny how the left scream their bloody heads off over water boarding and are stone cold quiet over drone strikes. personally i would much rather be water boarded. dave says it it is one thing to declare a war on a nation. it it is another to entirely ignore all of the laws that made this nation great. but some of you agree. bernard says tre treason must e met with swift justice. pat says had a single one of you naysayers seen any of the evidence against the only terrorist that we have taken out this way? first of all, there is more than one, by the way. i don't think that you should think there is one. and coming up, the gun rights battle heats up in hollywood. one of the stars of full lotting is a loan on his town's

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♪ country folks can survive >> judge jeanine: the country is divided between those who think new gun laws are necessary and those who believe they would infringe on our second amendment constitutional right. joining me is actor and political can comedian hall sparks who supports gun control. he is from l.a. and the lead sicker of jackal and star of full throttle is a loan jesse james dupree, a gun rights advocate. i will start with jesse. your hometown of kennesaw

georgia requires every home to have a gun. >> it was this response to a town in illinois that had pass a lou banning guns. and they -- they were getting so much national exposure. kennesaw passed a law saying every head of house hold must own a gun. the crime rate dropped. a huge point that the crime rate in kennesaw is less than the national average. the debate gets about guns and that is not what it is about. kennesaw is a safe place because it raises sponsible citizens. a great reputation for great family structure and a great commune detroit raise your children. >> judge jeanine: what do you think about what jesse just said, hall? >> i don't disagree. i'm sure they raise decent

people. i'm from kentucky myself. i think the issue of the government of any actually compelling you to purchase a product is a bit odd. being forced by a city ordinance to by something seems a bit of a reach. >> judge jeanine: what do you say about what jesse said about the fact -- >> isn't that weird, though? hal, lesson to me. what do you think about what jesse said that the crime rate is far less than the national average? doesn't that kind of go to that argument? >> i don't know most cities of that size actually the crime rate is lower than the national average. compare a city like that to detroit it is always going to be per capita. i don't think kennesaw probably has any more of a crime rate than frankfort, kentucky, for example and they don't have a similar law. has to do with the volume of people pushed together and like minded ney i tour of the people. i don't think you will see a

lot of criss-crossing diversity that causes that conflict readily. >> judge jeanine: the bottom line is they are saying that we don't have as much crime where you look at chicago, no one is allowed to have a gun and it is like the murder capital of the country. and then kennesaw where everybody has a gun and there is nothing like that. >> the problem in chicago is actually because of places in that part of the country where you can actually purchase guns either from a private buyer or a gun show without any kind of background check. >> judge jeanine: you can make that argument in any town in the nation. >> again, it embarrassing to participate in the debate being focused on guns. if you raise responsible citizens you can leave sharp knives laying around, you can leave the keys laying around. we need to focus on raising responsible citizens and that is -- >> i agree but you can't legislate the raising of and control aspect of it. that is like saying we don't need to spend money on schools because it is the parents job. i can't legislate parents.

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